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After running across it, Angel is vaguely familiar with an abandoned building, the Hyperion hotel. At his request, Wesley and Cordelia discover that Angel used to be a tenant in the hotel in the 1950s. At that time, Angel was pulled into a sticky situation with a woman hiding her past which lead to an unfortunate end. In the present day, Angel and the team attempt to rid the hotel of its demons.

Alexis Denisof has cited this as one of his personal favourite episodes of Angel.

One of David Boreanaz's favorite episodes.

Joss Whedon considers this one of the best episodes of the series.

Cordelia and Wesley mention that the hotel bellhop's name was Frank Gilnitz. "Gilnitz" is a name that was often used for incidental or unseen characters on "The X-Files" (1993) (usually with the first name John); it became a running joke on that show. The name was an amalgam of the names of longtime X-Files writers John Shiban, Vince Gilligan, and Frank Spotnitz. The writer of this Angel (1999) episode, Tim Minear, was a writer and story editor for "The X-Files".

The phrase "are you now or have you ever been..." is strongly associated with the Red Scare/Blacklist era of the 1950s, when it was a commonly heard introduction to questions posed by the House Un-American Activities Committee to defendants they suspected of being Communists. The question can be heard during the 1950s section of the episode when footage (containing infamous Communist-hunter Senator Joseph McCarthy) is briefly visible on a television in the hotel lobby.

When the bookstore owner, Denver, asks Angel how old he was when he was made, Denver suggests that he was just over 30. Angel looks offended and says no. At the time of filming this episode David Boreanaz was 31, though the character of Angel was turned into a vampire at 26, supposedly staying that age for eternity.

The red jacket and t-shirt combo Angel wears at the LA Observatory hearken back to James Dean's iconic costume in Rebel Without A Cause.

Room 217 is the same room Jack Torrance visits in Stephen King's novel 'The Shining'.

This sets up Angel Investigations' move to the hotel they inhabit for the next three seasons.

The first cut of this episode ran 9 minutes longer than broadcast requirements.

The hotel manager in the flashback is played by actor John Kapelos, who was a regular cast member of the show "Forever Knight". The show was about a vampire cop/detective trying to atone for his past sins by solving murder cases.

The flashback scenes take place in Los Angeles in 1952.

The episode makes several references to the horror novel The Shining, particularly the guests at a hotel being driven to insanity by unseen forces. Series creator Joss Whedon is a huge fan of the film version.

When discussing the guy in 215's suicide, Angel suggests to Judy that "the wallpaper drove him to it." This is a reference to Charlotte Perkins Gilman's story "The Yellow Wallpaper." Juliet Landau (Drusilla) would go on to star in a movie adaptation of the story in 2012.

Tim Minear, the writer of this episode, says that he often gets asked about what Angel did with the stolen money that he recovered from its hiding place fifty years after stashing it in the hotel (since the money is never again mentioned in a subsequent episode). Minear says that as far as he is concerned, Angel did not keep the money or use it to buy the hotel - instead, Minear says that Angel sent it back to the bank in Salina, Kansas, from which Judy stole it in 1952.

Angel ultimately abandons the guests at the Hyperion to the Thesulac demon. He will do the same later in the season when he leaves most of the lawyers at Wolfram & Hart to be killed by Darla and Drusilla.

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    • Author: Lahorns Gods
    I love this episode. Flat out LOVE it. It's one of the most creative, interesting, fantastic episodes of the whole series. "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" redefines Angel's past, clarifying the idea that --even with a soul-- he can still be a real hard ass. It builds into the dark path he'll take later in the season and also fills in some the blank pages of his long history. Plus, it's just a cool story, filled with great 1950s touches and really fun scenes. I love vampire flash back episodes and "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" is one of my very favorites. I highly recommend it.

    "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" revolves around Angel's history back in the 1950s. It seems that Angel spent the Golden Age of Hollywood brooding alone in a room at the Hyperion hotel. He stumbled across the hotel again in "Judgement" and it brought up a lot of memories for him. Now, in "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been," he's determined to go back to the hotel and face his ghosts... Or demons. In the 1950s Angel wasn't the hero that he is today. Basically, he ignored the people around him and stayed out of their problems. When a woman named Judy comes to the Hyperion hotel, she's clearly running from her past. She's stolen some from money from the bank where she worked and they're trying to get it back. Angel is annoyed when Judy keeps dragging him into her problems. He grudgingly helps her out, but he insists that he just wants to be left alone.

    Unfortunately, there's bigger trouble brewing in the Hyperion. A paranoia demon has infested the hotel and it's building mistrust amongst the guests. It driving one man to suicide and then convinces the rest of the hotel that it was a murder. The guests start suspecting each other of the crime. Angel realizes that a demon is a work in the Hyperion and prepares to battle it. Unfortunately, Judy is attacked by the other guests. Scared and desperate, she shouts that Angel is the killer. The Hyperion guests lynch Angel right there in the lobby. Being a vampire, he's not that easy to kill and he survives the attack. Deciding that helping people isn't worth it, he leaves Judy and the other guests to their fates. Now, 50 years later, he's back. The paranoia demon is still haunting the hotel. Angel, Wes, Cordy and Gunn work to exorcise it. Upstairs, Angel finds Judy still hiding in her room. She's dying and she asks for Angel's forgiveness. He accepts her apology, then decides to move Angel Investigations into the Hyperion.

    There's just so much to like about this episode. It uses the problems of the 1950s to explore and forecast the issues that will face Team Angel this season. "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" explores ideas of paranoia, racism, and isolation. It's got the McCarthy hearings, reflecting the suspicions that will build within the gang as the season wears on. It's got Judy being ostracized because of her heritage, just as Angel is often ostracized because he's a vampire. And it's got Angel dark and alone in his hotel room in the 1950s, just as he'll be dark and alone in a lot of the episodes to come. "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" sets up so much and it really establishes Angel's bad ass side. Even with a soul, he can be a ruthless, uncaring sort of guy. I just love watching him in the 1950s. He's so apathetic and mean to everyone, that I always end up grinning. He doesn't care about the rest of the guests or mind that they're scared of him. (The guy in the next room shoots himself, and Angel just glances at the wall and keeps sipping his blood.) As the episode goes on, though, you begin to see that he's still Angel. He's just depressed and lonely. Underneath his Spike-like flat hair and chain smoking, Angel really is a good guy. He's trying to help Judy and he's so hurt when she turns on him that my heart just breaks. I also like how the episode is edited. It flashes from the present, back to the 1950s, and then to the present again. It's just really cool how the story unfolds over the two different time lines. Finally, I like Wes paranoid that people think he's paranoid.

    On the down side, I wish Judy had gotten to go outside again. It's just sad that she feared going to jail so much, that she wound up imprisoning herself in the hotel for 50 years. And is Cordy crazy saying that vampires don't photograph well? Angel looks fantastic in those pictures. Also, how is Angel paying for that room in the hotel? He doesn't seem to have a job, so where's he getting money? And speaking of money, what happens to Judy's bag full of stolen cash? Is that what Angel uses to buy the hotel? Finally, the bellhop guy was kind of funny. Too bad he was executed...

    My favorite part of the episode: All the fun "Rebel Without a Cause" allusions. There's Angel dressed in a red jacket like James Dean. There's the scene at the Griffith Planetarium. "Judy" is the name of Natalie Woods' character in the film and it's the name of Angel friend. Plus, Angel really is a "rebel without a cause" in this episode. He's now a "rebel" vampire, unable to continue his evil ways. But, he doesn't have a "cause" yet, either. He's not trying to be a champion or help the helpless. He's just drifting through his existence, not quite a part of anything. It's just really cool.
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    • Author: Ienekan
    I'll preface my review by saying this: Are You Now or Have You Ever Been is one of the best episodes of Angel. It's a great hour of television period.

    The episode starts with Angel asking Wesley and Cordelia to investigate the Hyperion Hotel. This hotel was the building he stumbled on in the prior episode and clearly recognized. It turns out Angel was a resident there in 1952. He discovers a demon which feeds off paranoia resides there and is manipulating the tenants into suicide, murder and all manner of mayhem.

    I love this episode partly because it explores the idea that doing nothing can be just as bad as doing evil. Beyond his journey toward redemption, Angel does what he does because it's the right thing to do; because he has a unique ability to help people. Angel Investigations: We help the helpless.

    An old movie buff like myself enjoys the references to Rebel Without a Cause. That's what Angel is in the 1952. He hasn't dedicated himself to the cause of good yet. This episode highlights the fact that there's nearly a hundred years between when Angel is cursed with a soul and when he surprises Buffy in an alleyway and says he wants to help her fight evil.

    The journey, post-soul, from lost soul to savior was a long one.
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    • Author: Tane
    It's kinda like a puzzle. The "Who Died Horribly Because Angel Screwed Up 50 Years Ago" Game - One of the biggest season 2 classics, it's all around brilliant. This is one of Joss' favorite episodes and I can definitely see why, the flashbacks to the 50's were so well done, it truly felt like the 50's. Racism was kind of a big issue at then and I think that it's well used in this episode as the character 'Judy' (played by the wonderful 'Melissa Marsala') she passed on as white but when she was discovered having a black mother she lost her work and boyfriend because she wasn't 'pure' white or whatever, seems really exaggerated but I bet that things like that truly happened back then. This episode also introduced 'Denver' who gave 'Angel' some supplies to kill the thesulac demon, he appears later this season again only a lot older. What I mostly loved about this episode was 'forgiveness', 'Judy' betrayed 'Angel' to save herself and because of that 'Angel' got hanged, 50 years later they met again and 'Angel' forgives her for what she did and then she can finally rest in peace. After electrocuting the paranoide demon that fed on all those people's paranoide, 'Angel' decides to move into the hyperean hotel, which I love as it's my favorite set of the show. WESLEY: Well, now we know one thing for certain. CORDELIA: Yup! It's not that vampires don't photograph. It's just that they don't photograph well. (10 out of 10)
  • comment
    • Author: Kefrannan
    Angel has had a soul for a long time now but he wasn't always a protector. In the 50s he was nothing but a wandering recluse. Coming to live in a thriving hotel he meets a mysterious woman named Judy who seems to be on the run. Turns out her life was going downhill when her employers found out she's mixed (black and white) and fired her. This was the 50s and unfortunately this was the norm.She decides to steal as much money as she can from them,takes off and tries to lay low at the hotel. On the other side of things,voices are surrounding the hotel causing fear,paranoia and murder. Everything comes to a head when everyone finds out about Judy and accuses her of a murder she didn't commit. When Angel shows up she turns the blame on him and the townspeople...er...I mean residents decide to hang him. After the smoke clears Angel is still alive obviously and the real culprit a Thesulac Demon shows itself claiming to have caused all the conflict in the hotel and gives Angel the choice of saving the lost souls he's about to feed on to which Angel responds by leaving. A very different side to Angel than we're used to. Of course Angel rectifies what happened in the present time and the episode ends with a very poignant scene with Angel and the aged Judy. Very beautiful episode and one of the best written.

    Pros: Racism, paranoia,compassion for humanity and lack there of are well told themes in the episode.

    Different kind of period piece episode for Angel

    Angel and Judy reconciliation scene

    New base of operations for Angel Investigations

    Cons: Thesulac Demon was defeated way too easily

    Overall Score: 9.2/10
  • comment
    • Author: Ylonean
    The character "Judy" is described as "passing for white," which is an offensive term that validates the myth of white racial "purity." How can Judy be unworthy of her obvious European ancestry? "Angel" could at least have confirmed that Judy was right to claim her white identity. The nonsense about a cop following Judy for stealing money from a bank seems designed to confuse the audience into thinking that he is chasing her for "passing," thus scaring others who are thinking of rejecting forced hypodescent or the "one drop of blood" idiocy. Having Judy imprisoned in the hotel until she is an old woman sends a message rooted in the most racist white purity myths. The attractive Judy has to be imprisoned during her reproductive years so she will not marry "white" and thus introduce more "black blood" into the "white race." I have studied the "passing" myth for decades and this episode incorporates many aspects of it.
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    • Author: Lavivan
    This is episode is one of my favorites from Season 2. It's actually better then the Season 2 Premiere.

    In this episode, Angel runs across an abandoned building, which he finds familiar. That's because it used to be an old hotel, which he used to live in, back in the 1950s. Half of the episode are flashbacks, to when he was living there. And we learn that he was framed for a murder, which he didn't commit. Basically, the bell-hop guy, killed this tenant, everyone thought it was this girl who was staying there, because she had a fake name, and she said it was Angel, to saver her own butt. They actually hung Angel, but since he's a vampire, it didn't hurt him. Now, almost fifty years later, that girl is still in the hotel, being the victim of a pain-sucking demon. They eventually kill the demon and Angel chooses to buy the hotel and make it their new office for Angel Investigations.

    Overall, I give this episode a 7 out of 10.
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    • Author: Malahelm
    ARE YOU NOW OR EVER HAVE BEEN?

    The Good; Very good allegory of the McCarthy age and we get an idea of what Angel got up to after 'Why we fight?'.

    The Bad; According to the commentary Angel sends the money back to the bank. I wouldn't, they're a bunch of racists, I'd have given it to charity or something.

    Best line: DENVER; "No other cat but me"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that? Seeing Angel lynched is nasty in the extreme.

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Clichés Damsel in distress; 16,

    Inverting the Hollywood cliché; Angel doesn't save the inhabitants of the hotel, just leaves the demon to feast upon them. When he finally returns to rescue Melissa it's to let her die.

    In disguise; 4

    DB get's his shirt off; 7

    Cordy's tattoo;3

    Cheap Angel; 4

    Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy: 5 Angel: 8 Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out: yep, Angel Cordy: 9 Angel: 11 Wes: 5 Doyle; 1

    Kills: Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons Angel; 1 demon for Angel so 16 vamps, 17 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans Doyle; 1 vamp Wes; 1/2 a demon Kate; 3 vamps Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans. Gunn; one more vamp so 4 in all. Fang Gang go evil: Cordy: 2 Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang: Cordy: 2 Angel: 6

    Characters killed: 25

    Recurring characters killed; 4;

    Total number of Angel Investigations: 3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot: Angel: 8,

    Packing heat; Wes; 2 Doyle; 1 Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky: The starlet is obviously supplementing her income through prostitution. Nevertheless she refers to Melissa as a slut as an insult.

    Captain Subtext; The leading man is obviously gay and hiding it Rock Hudson style.

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages; 4,

    Guantanamo Bay; The McCarthy era is a strange one as after the fall of communism it was revealed that many of those he persecuted were indeed Soviet agents (it's an interesting parallel of George Bush/Barack Obama being pressured to release some the Guantanamo inmates only for 1 in 7 going back to terrorism) but the important point here is that we rail against all lynch-mobs and witch-hunts which are inherently evil no matter their justification, Angel season 2 of course was during the War on Terror and the point is well made.

    Buffy characters on Angel; 11 Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla

    Questions and observations; 2nd appearance of the Hyperion which is also in Judgement and 'I fall to pieces' under a different name . Presumably Angel must be pretty rich just to be able to give the money away like that. After this we presume he must go into his hedonistic phase, henceforth to be known as 'The Manilow Era'. He does return to hotel later however as he's in the picture when the police arrest the bell-hop (who goes to the electric chair despite being innocent of the charges against him). First appearance of Denver who'll crop up again later. In an ep about the 50s Cordy's dress seems very sixties? If this ep is 9 minutes over as the commentary says, why not Special Edition DVDs with the footage restored? Marks out of 10; 8/10
  • Episode cast overview:
    David Boreanaz David Boreanaz - Angel
    Charisma Carpenter Charisma Carpenter - Cordelia Chase
    Alexis Denisof Alexis Denisof - Wesley Wyndam-Pryce
    J. August Richards J. August Richards - Charles Gunn
    Melissa Marsala Melissa Marsala - Judy Kovacs
    John Kapelos John Kapelos - Roland Meeks
    Tommy Hinkley Tommy Hinkley - C. Mulvihill - Private Investigator
    Brett Rickaby Brett Rickaby - Denver Bookstore Owner
    Scott Thompson Baker Scott Thompson Baker - Actor
    J.P. Manoux J.P. Manoux - Bellman
    David Kagen David Kagen - Salesman
    Terrence Beasor Terrence Beasor - Older Man
    Julie Araskog Julie Araskog - Over the Hill Whore
    Tom Beyer Tom Beyer - Blacklisted Writer
    Eve Sigall Eve Sigall - Old Judy
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